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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by Mark Burton on Today at 01:58:33 AM »
You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.

I can only go by my experience and knowledge from local shops, which obviously is a small and possibly idiosyncratic sample. After all, I do live in Western Oregon. It is even more limited because I finally gave up in disgust and quit patronizing them about a year ago.

Of all the people blowing clouds at the shops that I have polled, none were previous smokers. I didn't ask them why they were vaping, but it is highly doubtful it was to keep from starting to smoke.

Using 0 mg or 3 mg juice like you do is to be highly commended, and should be a long term goal for anyone trying to quit smoking. Unfortunately, I will probably never get to that low a level.

I am happy to acknowledge that my experiences may be non-typical. 

In the other hand, I have seen many potential customers walk out when they found that higher nicotine content juices were not available.

Understandable and you and Caz are correct that too many shops are focused in on the hipster market and their desires.  That being said; we have to first consider the fact that for these places to stay in business, they do have to keep their clientele happy.  sI do SubOhm, but only because I get the flavor right when I do.  I don't cloud chase and have no time for it or those who only vape for the chase.  I am hearing in the industry, a lot of rumblings about stores having lost their true focus and many returning to it.  Interestingly, one argument I have heard from some liquid manufactures is that they are no longer doing high nicotine because they are afraid of being accused of attracting children to it.  I feel that they need to re-think this argument, but I get where they are coming from, which is mostly being on the firing line for so long that it is easier to go low nic and avoid the accusations along with reducing production costs.
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by caz on January 16, 2018, 10:57:42 AM »
i have to agree with VF,  i feel a lot of these vape shops are only stocking low mg for the cloud chasers/subbies (my name for the subohmers  :P)  i have lost count the number of times i've seen shops with only 0mg/3mg,  stands to reason as any higher would probably blow their throats up   O:-)      i'm old skool,  you aint gonna quit with 3mg  dont care what anyone says,  i believe 45mg is equivalent to a ciggy so you got zero chance with 3mg.


there are those who have been vaping a long time and cut down gradually to 0/3mg


Forgive me but i hate subohm boiling hot vapes,  not sure how anyone can quit smoking using them,  i know i wouldnt have if they were around back in the day. 


It pisses me right off when new vapers are sold subohm stuff,   cant help it,  i disagree with it. 
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by CYBORG on January 16, 2018, 09:04:05 AM »
 I have two specialist vape shops in my town plus some that sell the usual rubbish, one is a newsagents that has a sign in the window proclaiming vape specialist so I asked if they had any 0.2 fused claptonís and was met with the expected blank look.
I donít go to the one that has a constant cloud flowing out of the door but I get a coffee and a chat in the other, the manageress actually tells people to stop clouding up her shop because they put proper customers off coming in  :D
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by vapingfool on January 16, 2018, 06:39:21 AM »
You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.

I can only go by my experience and knowledge from local shops, which obviously is a small and possibly idiosyncratic sample. After all, I do live in Western Oregon. It is even more limited because I finally gave up in disgust and quit patronizing them about a year ago.

Of all the people blowing clouds at the shops that I have polled, none were previous smokers. I didn't ask them why they were vaping, but it is highly doubtful it was to keep from starting to smoke.

Using 0 mg or 3 mg juice like you do is to be highly commended, and should be a long term goal for anyone trying to quit smoking. Unfortunately, I will probably never get to that low a level.

I am happy to acknowledge that my experiences may be non-typical. 

In the other hand, I have seen many potential customers walk out when they found that higher nicotine content juices were not available.   
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by CYBORG on January 15, 2018, 07:44:53 PM »
 With you on this one Mark.
At the start I wanted the nic, I was on 18mg but now its the hand to mouth habit that would be hard to brake.
I now use 3mg or sometimes 0 but enjoy the flavor & the process of vaping.
Dabbled with DL but I donít get anything from it, I get more flavor, use less battery, less liquid and don't annoy anyone with my MTL setup although I still produce vapor equivalent to smoke from a stinky.
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Vandy Vape Beserker MTL RTA
« Last post by Darth Vaper on January 15, 2018, 07:40:04 PM »
Thank you for the kind words of perspiration Rik  :()()


LOL you little stinker
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Vandy Vape Beserker MTL RTA
« Last post by FahKingNut on January 15, 2018, 07:37:11 PM »
They insisted that the atty remain inverted.  I've done this each time, but never got anything out.
 
 
 
 
Don't dispair Darth, I'm certain if you work at it there will be something else you can fail at.
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by FahKingNut on January 15, 2018, 07:19:52 PM »
Mark brings up some valid points.  My local shop does 18-34mg but only in tobacco flavors.  The rest of their stuff, 40-60 different flavors, are only offered in a 12mg MAX.  I can only get 18mg if I can find a flavor online that I do like or might like.  They did this to support their market and comply with the FDA mandates.  They are supporting the hipster-subohm crowd that used to hang out there.  I only had a rapport with one worker there.  Now since the juice is pre-mixed factory style, the staff seems to have been reduced and I've lost my friend.  I don't bother to linger, just get my juice and go.  Not so many hipsters any more either.
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Last post by Mark Burton on January 15, 2018, 04:58:16 PM »
Yep. These days, it appears that vaping has little to do with stopping smoking. It is all about waving your penis around to "impress/annoy" others. That also explains the high availability of the 0 mg/ml and 3 mg/ml nicotine content juices.


You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.
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Rebuildable Atomiser Discussions / Re: Vandy Vape Beserker MTL RTA
« Last post by Darth Vaper on January 15, 2018, 04:32:05 PM »
LOL I did tell him to blow it out in a napkin... so I'm only half useful  :{


I'm a failure... just a shell of a man..... and you all have a front row seat to my downward spiral...




My drinking is getting out of control .... I just downed an entire jar of moonshine in one go.......












It's the little one on the left


Pretty tasty.. but not as good as the one I make.  :P
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