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Is It Me Or . . .
« on: January 05, 2018, 09:09:55 AM »
Is it me or has the market made a major swing in the MTL RTA market?
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 12:04:29 PM »
Is it me or has the market made a major swing in the MTL RTA market?
Yeah, I think so Rik. They seem to concentrate on certain areas of vaping, saturate it and then move onto the next craze. Some people complain about China releasing so much, so often. I think it's great for choice. Quality maybe compromised sometimes but isn't it better than having little choice.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 06:20:42 PM »
Yeah pretty soon all the trendy hipsters will be vaping at 8.6 watts on a 1.9 ohm coil in a Kayfun atty like they found something "NEW"

All stroking there hipster beards thinking about how they are getting both throat hit and full flavor with only a simple coil. And wow there battery lasts forever on one charge.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 07:55:10 PM »
 Think I should to try that just for a change Darth  :))
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 08:28:15 PM »
Yeah pretty soon all the trendy hipsters will be vaping at 8.6 watts on a 1.9 ohm coil in a Kayfun atty like they found something "NEW"

All stroking there hipster beards thinking about how they are getting both throat hit and full flavor with only a simple coil. And wow there battery lasts forever on one charge.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 08:50:19 PM »
Is it me or has the market made a major swing in the MTL RTA market?
Yeah, I think so Rik. They seem to concentrate on certain areas of vaping, saturate it and then move onto the next craze. Some people complain about China releasing so much, so often. I think it's great for choice. Quality maybe compromised sometimes but isn't it better than having little choice.

Just sucks that it's like organized corporate espianage, that everyone hits "the next big thing" all at the same time.  The market is getting more mature, I think, and should be able to withstand NEW SHIT coming at it from all directions!  I still think the ceramic coil should be a great product, but it never made it past the first line of manufacturing.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 11:24:36 PM »
Did a search for RTA's on one site, came back with 7 full pages, mostly, like 99% subohm.  Did a search for MTL, got 2 pages full, but 4 of the listings were for the same MTL tank, the rest were starter kits, and those funny new vaping systems like the Dolphin and such. 
 
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 10:19:07 AM »
Yep. These days, it appears that vaping has little to do with stopping smoking. It is all about waving your penis around to "impress/annoy" others. That also explains the high availability of the 0 mg/ml and 3 mg/ml nicotine content juices.

Fortunately, there are still a few tanks that use inexpensive prebuilt coils available. But many of the coils are no longer being made, or are scarce. An example is the 1.8 ohm coils for my Protank II.

But I am saving all the old coils and, if necessary, will be able to rebuild them.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 02:00:03 PM »
You think the silent majority here are subohm-ing or MTL?
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 02:24:00 PM »
Vast majority here are defo MTL, I'd say about 90%.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 11:23:41 PM »
But is that the same for the real world?
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 02:13:49 AM »
It probably is. A lot of MTL people I know, just buy one tank and mod and if it works for them, they stick with it. I think most vapers don't bother with forums/youtube. We are the minority!!!

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 07:05:53 AM »
I know the girl in my favorite vape shop asks new starters if they want something to get them off cigarettes or something to show off with, quitters get directed to MTL stuff & showoffs to the DRL.
Most fall into MTL category and go away happy.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 08:15:07 AM »
I know the girl in my favorite vape shop asks new starters if they want something to get them off cigarettes or something to show off with, quitters get directed to MTL stuff & showoffs to the DRL.
Most fall into MTL category and go away happy.

I wish the workers in all shops were as conscientious. Locally, they just try to push the latest sub-ohm gear on the new person. Just one of the reasons I refuse to deal with any of them any more. 

One of them does not even have any MTL gear on display - and may not even have any in stock. The other two have primarily Twist type starter kits. Only one has a few MTL tanks on display, and all of those are RTA devices.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 08:50:26 AM »
we dont really get to see many new vapers these days,  the kits seem to work ok right out of the box, so not many questions arise,  back in the early days nothing really worked good and forums were hectic.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 09:08:08 AM »
Are retailers in the US after the FDA BS, allowed to make references to "quit smoking?"
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 04:23:00 PM »
I know the girl in my favorite vape shop asks new starters if they want something to get them off cigarettes or something to show off with, quitters get directed to MTL stuff & showoffs to the DRL.
Most fall into MTL category and go away happy.

That is awesome to hear Cy... there is still some hope yet. The shop that just opened up down the road from my work is starting to get a little more MTL stuff in.... Starter kits too. Think what I said to them is sinking in. You have to serve the whole market.. not just the fads and the sub ohmers.

Caz although new members asking questions aren't so many these days ... there are still plenty reading the posts of the past and getting the little bit of help they need to carry on.  :)+1

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 04:58:16 PM »
Yep. These days, it appears that vaping has little to do with stopping smoking. It is all about waving your penis around to "impress/annoy" others. That also explains the high availability of the 0 mg/ml and 3 mg/ml nicotine content juices.


You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 07:19:52 PM »
Mark brings up some valid points.  My local shop does 18-34mg but only in tobacco flavors.  The rest of their stuff, 40-60 different flavors, are only offered in a 12mg MAX.  I can only get 18mg if I can find a flavor online that I do like or might like.  They did this to support their market and comply with the FDA mandates.  They are supporting the hipster-subohm crowd that used to hang out there.  I only had a rapport with one worker there.  Now since the juice is pre-mixed factory style, the staff seems to have been reduced and I've lost my friend.  I don't bother to linger, just get my juice and go.  Not so many hipsters any more either.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 07:44:53 PM »
 With you on this one Mark.
At the start I wanted the nic, I was on 18mg but now its the hand to mouth habit that would be hard to brake.
I now use 3mg or sometimes 0 but enjoy the flavor & the process of vaping.
Dabbled with DL but I don’t get anything from it, I get more flavor, use less battery, less liquid and don't annoy anyone with my MTL setup although I still produce vapor equivalent to smoke from a stinky.
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2018, 06:39:21 AM »
You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.

I can only go by my experience and knowledge from local shops, which obviously is a small and possibly idiosyncratic sample. After all, I do live in Western Oregon. It is even more limited because I finally gave up in disgust and quit patronizing them about a year ago.

Of all the people blowing clouds at the shops that I have polled, none were previous smokers. I didn't ask them why they were vaping, but it is highly doubtful it was to keep from starting to smoke.

Using 0 mg or 3 mg juice like you do is to be highly commended, and should be a long term goal for anyone trying to quit smoking. Unfortunately, I will probably never get to that low a level.

I am happy to acknowledge that my experiences may be non-typical. 

In the other hand, I have seen many potential customers walk out when they found that higher nicotine content juices were not available.   
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2018, 09:04:05 AM »
 I have two specialist vape shops in my town plus some that sell the usual rubbish, one is a newsagents that has a sign in the window proclaiming vape specialist so I asked if they had any 0.2 fused clapton’s and was met with the expected blank look.
I don’t go to the one that has a constant cloud flowing out of the door but I get a coffee and a chat in the other, the manageress actually tells people to stop clouding up her shop because they put proper customers off coming in  :D
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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2018, 10:57:42 AM »
i have to agree with VF,  i feel a lot of these vape shops are only stocking low mg for the cloud chasers/subbies (my name for the subohmers  :P)  i have lost count the number of times i've seen shops with only 0mg/3mg,  stands to reason as any higher would probably blow their throats up   O:-)      i'm old skool,  you aint gonna quit with 3mg  dont care what anyone says,  i believe 45mg is equivalent to a ciggy so you got zero chance with 3mg.


there are those who have been vaping a long time and cut down gradually to 0/3mg


Forgive me but i hate subohm boiling hot vapes,  not sure how anyone can quit smoking using them,  i know i wouldnt have if they were around back in the day. 


It pisses me right off when new vapers are sold subohm stuff,   cant help it,  i disagree with it. 

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 01:58:33 AM »
You're making a mistake when you say that the large prevalence of 0 and 3 mg/ml nic content is about impressing others.  I primarily vape 0 mg and occasionally 3 mg, primarily if I can't wake up in the AM.  There are a lot of us who are equally or more addicted to the process of smoking and less so to the nicotine.  I don't want or need nicotine but I do need vaping to stay of off the ciggies.  It has been stated repeatedly by pro-vaping doctors that there are a wide variety of reasons why people smoke.  Reality is both my doctor and my ex wife believe I had little to no physical addiction to nicotine but a very large addiction to the process. 

When I hear people start a discussion that the only way to get people off of cigarettes is to use high nicotine, I normally think that they have not asked the correct questions.  Yes, normally you want to start off a smoker at somewhere between 12 and 24 nic.  But not always.  I suggest we keep an open mind about why people are using and/or addicted to ciggies if we are going to be effective in getting them off of them.

I can only go by my experience and knowledge from local shops, which obviously is a small and possibly idiosyncratic sample. After all, I do live in Western Oregon. It is even more limited because I finally gave up in disgust and quit patronizing them about a year ago.

Of all the people blowing clouds at the shops that I have polled, none were previous smokers. I didn't ask them why they were vaping, but it is highly doubtful it was to keep from starting to smoke.

Using 0 mg or 3 mg juice like you do is to be highly commended, and should be a long term goal for anyone trying to quit smoking. Unfortunately, I will probably never get to that low a level.

I am happy to acknowledge that my experiences may be non-typical. 

In the other hand, I have seen many potential customers walk out when they found that higher nicotine content juices were not available.

Understandable and you and Caz are correct that too many shops are focused in on the hipster market and their desires.  That being said; we have to first consider the fact that for these places to stay in business, they do have to keep their clientele happy.  sI do SubOhm, but only because I get the flavor right when I do.  I don't cloud chase and have no time for it or those who only vape for the chase.  I am hearing in the industry, a lot of rumblings about stores having lost their true focus and many returning to it.  Interestingly, one argument I have heard from some liquid manufactures is that they are no longer doing high nicotine because they are afraid of being accused of attracting children to it.  I feel that they need to re-think this argument, but I get where they are coming from, which is mostly being on the firing line for so long that it is easier to go low nic and avoid the accusations along with reducing production costs.

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Re: Is It Me Or . . .
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2018, 07:33:06 AM »
I agree with Caz.
I couldn't have quit the stinky’s without high nic & a mouth to lung vape that resembled the experience of taking a drag on a cigarette, to me direct lung is like breathing but with some taste to it.
The market has to not only attract smokers but it has to keep them so its common sense to continue producing the things that work – high nic & MTL together with a relatively small device.
A lot of people are put off by big heavy devices not only new starters.
I understand manufacturers want as big a profit as they can get so they follow, introduce or invent the next latest trend but without catering for new starters the bubble will eventually burst.
I am now happy with low nic but it did take me 9 years slowly decreasing the nic in my mixes, If it wasn't that high nic (cigarettes included) aggravates my migraine I wouldn't have cut down at all.
My opinion is that as with any product if you don't make introductory things people don't take up the sport, hobby or pastime.
Vaping is a little different in that people start so they don't kill themselves with cigarettes but a lot go back to smoking if they don't get something that gives the same experience – a relatively tight draw and a nic hit together with something easy to carry and use.

Only my thoughts but I know Sue wouldn't even attempt to use my (in her words) stupid fucking great bricks so assume others have the same opinion as she did. 
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