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100 nic
« on: June 11, 2016, 09:45:02 PM »
Since I plan only mixing in VG, would it be a bad idea for me to work with 100 mg nic, for safety reasons, or does it make the math easier.  I've worked with lots of chemicals in my past jobs, so safety comes natural.  Just curious.
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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2016, 09:57:45 PM »
I use 100 mg/ml because it is the strongest that is easily available. Most vendors will not sell you higher concentrations unless you are a business.

The 100 mg/ml does make mixing calculations easier if doing them in your head or on paper.

For example, let's say that you want to make 10 ml of juice with 24 mg/ml. That means you need 24 x 10 mg = 240 mg of nicotine.

Since the nicotine base is 100 mg/ml, that means you need 2.4 ml of the base. Put that in your mixing container.

Let's assume you want 10% flavoring - for a 10 ml batch, that comes to 1 ml.  Add that to the base in your mixing container, giving you a total so far of 3.4 ml.

The remainder will be VG. 10 ml - 3.4 ml = 6.6 ml of VG.

Mix thoroughly then transfer to your 10 ml storage bottle and you are all done.

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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2016, 10:33:10 PM »
I couldn't do that in my head, but I can see how it would make things easier.  Thanks VF!!!
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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 07:03:11 AM »
As far as safety goes, I frequently get a few drops of 100 mg/ml nicotine (in PG) on my skin when mixing or transferring. I wash it off  (or even just rinse it off with warm water) when I'm done with the task. If it were a serious exposure, I would feel it as nic sickness (like you get if you over-puff with strong juice).

You do absorb nicotine through your skin, so larger exposures (a ml or more, spread over several square inches) would be more serious, and if that happened to a nicotine-naive person or child, I would be concerned and be washing it off quickly and maybe considering calling emergency services for a larger exposure.

Now I am a heavy nicotine user, so your reaction to skin contact with strong juice might be different than mine. I use about 3.3 ml of 50 mg/ml juice per day which amounts to 165 mg of nicotine per day (which is like about 8 of the largest patches or eighty smokies/four packs).
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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2016, 09:03:43 AM »
Rik, before you start make sure you read up on nicotene safety!  Wearing gloves and proper labelling are extremely important!!  Cannot stress this point enough!!  Knowing how to handle nicotene before you start any DIY is utmost important!!

Thought I'd post a simple utube video on getting started!  There are many videos out there on the subject of safety, suggest you take the time to watch them!  . K

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_jZBkCxFgaY


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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2016, 01:13:44 PM »
Following proper safety precautions is always a good idea - but nicotine toxicity through dermal exposure is not anywhere close to what most people believe - even doctors and poison control specialists. There are common household chemicals that are a greater risk.

A few weeks back, I posted a link to research that had been done on this subject.
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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2016, 01:31:23 PM »
Perhaps I am overly cautious, but it's safety first with me, especially when dealing with nicotine!  Gloves, mask the whole shebang where I'm concerned!  Only takes a few minutes, so why tempt fate?? .  Ha, just a dumb CANUK perhaps!!  . K


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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2016, 03:43:09 PM »
not dumb at all kate,  nothing wrong with being cautious,   i've used gloves before,  safety comes first. 

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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 12:16:10 PM »
No harm Kate.  I feel quite warm and fuzzy knowing that you are that concerned for my health.  I had a career in aerospace where I messed with chemicals all day long, aprons, thick lined gloves, face shield, and plenty of ventilation.  I don't take chemicals lightly.  I just don't see myself getting covered enough to cause any major injuries.  I expect the random minor exposure, but with the amount of care I put into handling chemicals such as NIC, I don't see there being enough "free" to do any real damage.
 
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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2016, 10:41:34 PM »
Just to keep things in perspective, the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) that Wizard Labs provides for 48 mg/ml nicotine base says:
  • Acute oral toxicity (LD50) 966 mg/kg (rat) (calculated for mixture)
  • Acute dermal toxicity (LD50) (rabbit) 2087 mg/kg (calculated for mixture)
LD50 means this is the dose where half the cases are killed. So at 120 kilos I would need to swallow about 4 ounces (120 ml) to have a 50/50 chance of dying or surviving. (Of course I'd probably be really nic sick with a lot less than that.)

To have a 50% chance of dying from skin contact, I'd need to slather myself with 8 ounces (240 ml) of this strong juice - really spread it evenly all over my body. (Again, I'd probably really dislike the effect of a much smaller amount.)

Naturally, smaller people, children, and small critters like pets would be harmed by proportionally smaller amounts. To make the math simple, a 12 kilo toddler would only need a tenth of that amount to be in danger, and even less than that to be badly affected. Now we are getting down into the amounts to be found in a vaper's kit. If you keep juice around, you are responsible for keeping it away from children and pets (and stupid or drunk adults, as well).

So, a few drops of 100 mg/ml on your skin isn't likely to hurt you. Wash it off as soon as you reasonably can, but don't panic. A drop splashed or flicked into your eye will be extremely painful*, so wear safety goggles or a face shield when working with strong juice. If it happens, rinse eye with water for 15 minutes. If it still hurts, get medical attention.

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* I know. I once rubbed my eye when I had a small amount of juice from a leaky tank on my fingers. Once. I learned my lesson. The sensation is not unlike getting super hot (million+ Scoville) pepper sauce in your eye (which I have also done, and learned a lesson from).

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Re: 100 nic
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 04:35:51 PM »
I appreciate the info Pete.
 
You reminded me of when I was in the USAF, in the UK, and I got a paint chip with naval jelly on it in my eye and had to act normal for almost 5 minutes before I could rinse.  I can't discuss the specifics beyond that 'cause of security clearance requirements and such.  Just goes to say that while around any chemical safe or toxic, I never touch my face anymore until I've cleaned up and washed my hands.
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